Obama hits back, too softly for some

[Anndee]

Tex wrote:

<quoted text>You go beyond an election, your on a crusade to get McCain canned. What's up?

Why doesn't he go after Obama's sliver star?
Oh that's right he never received one.
Unless Rev Wright gives one out.....

[Anndee]

Bewildered wrote:

He finally hits back in recent days. But he's spending 20 minutes telling voters about McCain's homes. Well, now, Obama is just being petty. Weird-O.

Smelling can of worms I'd say.
Maybe Mccain should ask Obama about the Rezko land deal?
U.S. Sen. Barack Obama expressed regret late Friday for his 2005 land purchase from now-indicted political fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko in a deal that enlarged the senator's yard.

[Anndee]

Barack Insane NoBama wrote:

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Your moronic, misguided, and uninformed insults have been duly noted.

When Obama was asked when life begins, he punted, saying "it's above my pay grade." Shouldn't someone running for the highest office in the land have a clear answer to that, or is that kind of ambivalence acceptable?

[left of Limbaugh]

Anndee wrote:

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When Obama was asked when life begins, he punted, saying "it's above my pay grade." Shouldn't someone running for the highest office in the land have a clear answer to that, or is that kind of ambivalence acceptable?

Most Americans beleive that the decision should be the mothers and do not wish to place legal control over a mother's womb despite their personal beliefs about what they would do themselves. For instance I would raise any child I fathered and I have advised against abortion but I would not be for a law that refused that right to a woman that decided to have one.

Not being judgemental or legislating control over the womb of a woman and leaving the issue between them and their maker is a very reasonable position on abortion and one that many if not most Americans would agree with.

[Bewildered]

Chicago Guy wrote:

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How can you possibly say that?
McCain's (former) senior economic advisor said there was "no recession" and that Americans were "just whining".
McCain himself says you have to make $5 MILLION or more a year to be considered 'rich', yet he acts as if his tax plan doesn't benefit wealthy Americans at the expense of all others.
McCain wears $570 shoes, and has to "check with his staff" to remember how many HOMES he owns.... and yet he's trying to brand Obama as "elitist" and "out of touch".
And to you that's PETTY?
My real question is, why doesn't any white collar or working class conservative think that the GOP is on your side? Because they most definitely are not, despite all the flag-waving and pandering.

Maybe McCain doesn't own the homes. They were probably purchased by Cindy and their kids use the homes. I don't really care about their personal finances. Nor do I care about how rich Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, or Warren Buffet are. I just care about what the candidates will do to make things better for everyone.

With superstar status and power, Obama should start talking about his solutions to the many problems facing our country that he's been pointing out to us. And please don't be vague. Obama lifted my expectations, and I am still waiting for him to deliver the details. I haven't seen them, as of yet.

[OlSchooler]

Bewildered wrote:

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Maybe McCain doesn't own the homes. They were probably purchased by Cindy and their kids use the homes. I don't really care about their personal finances. Nor do I care about how rich Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, or Warren Buffet are. I just care about what the candidates will do to make things better for everyone.
With superstar status and power, Obama should start talking about his solutions to the many problems facing our country that he's been pointing out to us. And please don't be vague. Obama lifted my expectations, and I am still waiting for him to deliver the details. I haven't seen them, as of yet.

"Does a guy who made more than $4 million last year, just got back from vacation on a private beach in Hawaii and bought his own million-dollar mansion with the help of a convicted felon really want to get into a debate about houses?"
-- McCain spokesman Brian Rogers

[OlSchooler]

"Does a guy who made more than $4 million last year, just got back from vacation on a private beach in Hawaii and bought his own million-dollar mansion with the help of a convicted felon really want to get into a debate about houses?"
-- McCain spokesman Brian Rogers

[left of Limbaugh]

OlSchooler wrote:

"Does a guy who made more than $4 million last year, just got back from vacation on a private beach in Hawaii and bought his own million-dollar mansion with the help of a convicted felon really want to get into a debate about houses?"
-- McCain spokesman Brian Rogers

Yes, because he bought a house not a mansion himself the "help" you say he received is grossly exagerrated. He bought a landlocked piece of dirt only useful to him as it is unbuildable by itself.
The values given the land by his detractors like yourself is based on buildable lot prices which is not the case.

Obama and his wife made money this year because of his book sales. He wrote a popular book and he is being rewarded by large sales. Do you have something against capitalism?

He still isn't rich according to McCain as McCain said to be rich in America you need to make 5 million a year. At least Obama knows how many houses he owns!

[Chicago Guy]

Bewildered wrote:

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Maybe McCain doesn't own the homes. They were probably purchased by Cindy and their kids use the homes. I don't really care about their personal finances. Nor do I care about how rich Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, or Warren Buffet are. I just care about what the candidates will do to make things better for everyone.
With superstar status and power, Obama should start talking about his solutions to the many problems facing our country that he's been pointing out to us. And please don't be vague. Obama lifted my expectations, and I am still waiting for him to deliver the details. I haven't seen them, as of yet.

I get your point. And there's certainly NOTHING wrong with being rich-- I'd certainly be willing to try it!!

The issue is that McCain is pushing to keep tax breaks that ONLY benefit the richest in the country, and the corporations-- at the expense of the working poor and middle class! Warren Buffet pointed out the travesty of him paying only 17% on his income of $48 MILLION, while his secretary paid 30% on her $60K salary. If that seems unfair to you, it's because it IS.

McCain misses the point. Just as GHWB suffered defeat to Clinton in part because he didn't know the price of a gallon of milk, McCain's needing to "check with his staff" to see how many homes he owns is angering to millions of Americans struggling to get by in these tough times, when ALL evidence shows that the GOP has done nothing but aid rich people and corporations for the last eight years. You want another eight years of being in a higher tax bracket than Warren Buffet??

[OlSchooler]

left of Limbaugh wrote:

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Yes, because he bought a house not a mansion himself the "help" you say he received is grossly exagerrated. He bought a landlocked piece of dirt only useful to him as it is unbuildable by itself.
The values given the land by his detractors like yourself is based on buildable lot prices which is not the case.
Obama and his wife made money this year because of his book sales. He wrote a popular book and he is being rewarded by large sales. Do you have something against capitalism?
He still isn't rich according to McCain as McCain said to be rich in America you need to make 5 million a year. At least Obama knows how many houses he owns!

Wow! How did you know all that... are you Tony Rezco?

[left of Limbaugh]

OlSchooler wrote:

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Wow! How did you know all that... are you Tony Rezco?

I take the time to research my answers from real sources prior to posting in order to avoid repeating rumors, editorial opinion or outright lies.

[John in Los Angeles]

Chicago Guy wrote:

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I get your point. And there's certainly NOTHING wrong with being rich-- I'd certainly be willing to try it!!
The issue is that McCain is pushing to keep tax breaks that ONLY benefit the richest in the country, and the corporations-- at the expense of the working poor and middle class! Warren Buffet pointed out the travesty of him paying only 17% on his income of $48 MILLION, while his secretary paid 30% on her $60K salary. If that seems unfair to you, it's because it IS.
McCain misses the point. Just as GHWB suffered defeat to Clinton in part because he didn't know the price of a gallon of milk, McCain's needing to "check with his staff" to see how many homes he owns is angering to millions of Americans struggling to get by in these tough times, when ALL evidence shows that the GOP has done nothing but aid rich people and corporations for the last eight years. You want another eight years of being in a higher tax bracket than Warren Buffet??

Do you want to double your taxes??
If so, then you want Obama.

[left of Limbaugh]

John in Los Angeles wrote:

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Do you want to double your taxes??
If so, then you want Obama.

And I suppose you have some logical reasons for beleiving that Obama will raise your taxes?

I wouldn't worry unless you make more than 250k or a corporation that bought some loopholes from Congress.

The Facts
There are significant differences between the two candidates on tax policy. McCain would like to make the Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 permanent, and has proposed a few more of his own. Obama, by contrast, favors allowing the tax cuts to expire as scheduled for Americans earning more than $250,000 a year. He would raise taxes on capital gains and dividends, but has also promised tax breaks for low and middle-income Americans.

Check out the Snopes site for a debunking of the Obama will double your taxes claim which simply is not true.

www.snopes.com/politics/obama/taxes.asp

[Chicago Guy]

John in Los Angeles wrote:

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Do you want to double your taxes??
If so, then you want Obama.

LOL just showed why you're a liar. I'd just like to take a moment to agree with him.

[Roy]

left of Limbaugh wrote:

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And I suppose you have some logical reasons for beleiving that Obama will raise your taxes?
I wouldn't worry unless you make more than 250k or a corporation that bought some loopholes from Congress.
The Facts
There are significant differences between the two candidates on tax policy. McCain would like to make the Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 permanent, and has proposed a few more of his own. Obama, by contrast, favors allowing the tax cuts to expire as scheduled for Americans earning more than $250,000 a year. He would raise taxes on capital gains and dividends, but has also promised tax breaks for low and middle-income Americans.
Check out the Snopes site for a debunking of the Obama will double your taxes claim which simply is not true.
www.snopes.com/politics/obama/taxes.asp

$250,000 or $97,000

Democrat Debate in Philadelphia
MR. GIBSON: Very quickly, because I owe Senator Clinton time, but, yeah, you wanted to respond.

SENATOR OBAMA: Well, Charlie, I just have to respond real quickly to Senator Clinton's last comment. What I have proposed is that we raise the cap on the payroll tax, because right now millionaires and billionaires don't have to pay beyond $97,000 a year.

That's where it's kept. Now most firefighters, most teachers, you know, they're not making over $100,000 a year. In fact, only 6 percent of the population does. And I've also said that I'd be willing to look at exempting people who are making slightly above that.

But understand the alternative is that because we're going to have fewer workers to more retirees, if we don't do anything on Social Security, then those benefits will effectively be cut, because we'll be running out of money.

MR. GIBSON: But Senator, that's a tax. That's a tax on people under $250,000.

SENATOR OBAMA: Well, no, look, let me -- let me finish my point here, Charlie. Senator Clinton just said she certainly wouldn't do this; this was a bad idea. In Iowa she, when she was outside of camera range, said to an individual there she'd certainly consider the idea. And then that was recorded, and she apparently wasn't aware that it was being recorded.

So this is an option that I would strongly consider, because the alternatives, like raising the retirement age, or cutting benefits, or raising the payroll tax on everybody, including people who make less than $97,000 a year --

MR. GIBSON: But there's a heck of a lot of --

SENATOR OBAMA:-- those are not good policy options.

MR. GIBSON: Those are a heck of a lot of people between $97,000 and $200(,000) and $250,000. If you raise the payroll taxes, that's going to raise taxes on them.

SENATOR OBAMA: And that's -- and that's -- and that's why I've said, Charlie, that I would look at potentially exempting those who are in between.

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He said he would, "look at potentially exempting those who are in between".

Potentially exempting? Obama's own words

[Melissa]

Why not look at the voting records YOURSELF, and not just defend you opinion?

Paste this into your browser or just google Obama Voting Record. Or just continue to think you know it all without checking. You decide.

http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php...

[Melissa]

By the way, what ever your impassioned issue, there is a drop down box to CHECK the candidates voting record at the site below.

http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php...

[Anndee]

One nation in history, and this during the last century, laid down hundreds of thousands of lives and took no land. No land from Germany, no land from Japan, no land from Korea. America is unique in the sacrifice it has made for liberty, for itself and for freedom loving people around the world.' The best ally peace has ever known, and will ever know, is a strong America.
"And finally, let's consider the greatest challenge facing America – and facing the entire civilized world: the threat of violent, radical Jihad. In one wing of the world of Islam, there is a conviction that all governments should be destroyed and replaced by a religious caliphate. These Jihadists will battle any form of democracy. To them, democracy is blasphemous for it says that citizens, not God shape the law. They find the idea of human equality to be offensive. They hate everything we believe about freedom just as we hate everything they believe about radical Jihad.

"To battle this threat, we have sent the most courageous and brave soldiers in the world. But their numbers have been depleted by the Clinton years when troops were reduced by 500,000, when 80 ships were retired from the Navy, and when our human intelligence was slashed by 25%. We were told that we were getting a peace dividend. We got the dividend, but we didn't get the peace. In the face of evil in radical Jihad and given the inevitable military ambitions of China, we must act to rebuild our military might – raise military spending to 4% of our GDP, purchase the most modern armament, re-shape our fighting forces for the asymmetric demands we now face, and give the veterans the care they deserve.

Mitt Romney

[Anndee]

left of Limbaugh wrote:

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And I suppose you have some logical reasons for beleiving that Obama will raise your taxes?
I wouldn't worry unless you make more than 250k or a corporation that bought some loopholes from Congress.
The Facts
There are significant differences between the two candidates on tax policy. McCain would like to make the Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 permanent, and has proposed a few more of his own. Obama, by contrast, favors allowing the tax cuts to expire as scheduled for Americans earning more than $250,000 a year. He would raise taxes on capital gains and dividends, but has also promised tax breaks for low and middle-income Americans.
Check out the Snopes site for a debunking of the Obama will double your taxes claim which simply is not true.
www.snopes.com/politics/obama/taxes.asp

You don't think everyone will pay?
When he takes it to the "big crops" do you really think it won't hurt everyone.
They will cut jobs and raise prices.
They are not in business because they are "nice"!
Just like when the lawyers sue.
Who do you think pays?
US in higher fees the doctors and business's pass the cost onto us.
Where do you think the money comes from nowhere?
While the oil cartell is raising the prices and the dems think it's wonderful the we are paying $7 a gallon, so less oil is used.
How to you suppose your charmin is getting to the store?
At what cost?

[OlSchooler]

Any free rides proposed by Barack Obama will ultimately fall on the middle class in taxes, inflation, and lost jobs. It is simple, absolute economics.
Obama's brand of socialism will be devastating to the US.