Unbaptized Baptizer—Do You Meet the Qualifications?

[AuldSoul1]

(Satire)
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MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS

The commission from Jesus to all his disciples is to "Go therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them ..." You may have associated with Jehovah's Witnesses for some time. If so, you have likely noticed that all Jehovah's Witnesses are engaged in this life-saving work of baptizing.(1 Peter 3:21) As you have studied with Jehovah's Witnesses, you have no doubt heard talks discussing the importance of baptism.

You might have reached a point where you feel motivated to baptize others. However, you may find in your life some customs or beliefs that would be inappropriate for a person presenting themselves to the public as a qualified unbaptized publisher of Jehovah's Witnesses.

It is our heartfelt desire that you fully understand what God requires of you before you begin to baptize others. Your Bible study conductor will be happy to share with you these reasonable requirements, and the local elders can meet with you when you feel you are ready to personally engage in the most important work we have in this time of the end, that of calling people to repentance and baptism.(Acts 2:38)

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Obviously, Jesus did not intend for Matthew 28:19, 20 to apply to unbaptized people.

[AuldSoul1]

Matthew 28:19-20 — "Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And, look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things."

Well?

Do JWs require people to become unbaptized baptizers as a prerequisite for Christian baptism?

If not, why do JWs require people to become unbaptized publishers as a prerequisite for Christian baptism?

[AuldSoul1]

Anyone?

[Lightseer]

What is your point?

Please state it more clearly than you have earlier. Maybe then you'll get responses.

[Topsy Crett]

This is installment 200,333-4-z on Auldsoul's quest to prove that JW's dont baptize people according to the Bible.

Of course, I dont know if they ever claim that as they clearly suggest that you baptism is more of a membership card into the WTS.

Of course it also represents what it says in teh Bible for many people, but the drawn out process of teaching you dogmatacism has to be done in stages so that one doesnt immediatly jump out of the pot.

For some the temperature is just too hot, for others, the heat starts to get a bit too much, a bit uncomfortable, and they jump out before they are fully cooked.

For many the temperature is just right.

[mardana]

Topsy Crett,

Are you saying that you now realize that the JWs baptism is really a dedication into the WTS?

I hope that is what you mean.

[Topsy Crett]

I thought that was obvious.

Remember though that JW's feel that Jesus appointed the FDS, who represent Jehovah's visible organization on earth, who dispense spiritual food through the publishing entity known as teh WTBTS.

So, in the new JW's mind by dedicating oneself to the organization they are dedicating themselves to Jesus.

Draw whatever conclusion you want to from that.

[mardana]

Thank you for your reply, Topsey.

I don't mean to hijack Auldsoul's thread, but I find it so sad that JWs think that their salvation is possible by their association with an organization, not through a PERSONAL relationship with Christ.

This breaks my heart.

[mardana]

There are so many things I dont understand about this forum.(It is so different from other forums).

For one thing, my first comment on this thread says it's from Roseville, CA and my second comment made shortly afterward says Sacramento, CA.

[Topsy Crett]

Hey Mardana there is no hijacking a thread when you are asking questions.

Auldsoul wouldnt mind I guarantee it.

Havent I seen you on this forum or on Bnet before?

[jace]

mardana wrote:

Thank you for your reply, Topsey.
I don't mean to hijack Auldsoul's thread, but I find it so sad that JWs think that their salvation is possible by their association with an organization, not through a PERSONAL relationship with Christ.
This breaks my heart.

Bingo!!!!!!!!

[jace]

Topsy Crett wrote:

So, in the new JW's mind by dedicating oneself to the organization they are dedicating themselves to Jesus.

Bingo, your words sad to say are so true
and that is why the following phrases mean the same to a jw

Jehovah says
The bible says
The Society says
Jesus says
Holy spirit says

in classical conditioning it is so important to associate "A"with "B" until they are practically the same and causes the same response-

the wt sums it up best when they declare listen to the wt as you would the very voice of God himself

i recall when i was asked by a former jw about that quote, i was unable to respond

for anyone who is NOT CLAIMING DIVINE INSPIRATION to then put themselves in this Status

nothing more needs to be said

your post is On Point

[mardana]

Yes, Topsy, I occasionally post here.

This board makes me a little uncomfortable sometimes, though, because it tends to get mean-spirited.

I wish people could have discussions (even heated debates, if necessary) without resorting to name-calling.

[Lightseer]

Topsy Crett wrote:

This is installment 200,333-4-z on Auldsoul's quest to prove that JW's dont baptize people according to the Bible.
Of course, I dont know if they ever claim that as they clearly suggest that you baptism is more of a membership card into the WTS.

When I was seeking baptism in the JW faith, I had to go over (at 13 mind you) The "organization book" with an elder. That should have been a huge tipoff to me. Well, if I was of the age of majority, that is. As it was, I was simply a young barely adolscent who was doing what she thought was required of her at age 13.

I asked an elder in the Church I now attend if I should be rebaptized if I wanted to become a true Christian. He stated that if I was baptized not believing in the holy trinity (which I was) then probably the head past would recommend I be baptized again in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

No legitimate religion baptizes one to an *organization*.

[abrother]

Lightseer wrote:

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When I was seeking baptism in the JW faith, I had to go over (at 13 mind you) The "organization book" with an elder. That should have been a huge tipoff to me. Well, if I was of the age of majority, that is. As it was, I was simply a young barely adolscent who was doing what she thought was required of her at age 13.
I asked an elder in the Church I now attend if I should be rebaptized if I wanted to become a true Christian. He stated that if I was baptized not believing in the holy trinity (which I was) then probably the head past would recommend I be baptized again in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
No legitimate religion baptizes one to an *organization*.

How STUPID can you get?? When we get baptised; we get baptised in Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. No belief in a three headed freakish god should not indicate that. Even a 13 year person should know that too. Unless you have the mentality less than a 13 years old person.

[Topsy Crett]

Lightseer with the consequences of Dfing in the JW faith I have come to the conclusion that it is very unfair to baptize anyone under teh age of 17.

As far as your new baptism, it is all symbolic, so do what you want. If you think your previous baptism didnt meet your new requirements then feel free.

JW's re-baptize people from other faiths into the organization all the time. If you have come to the conclusion that Jesus is part of a Trinitarian GOD and that you non-beleif in that somehow prevented Jesus from seeing your true motivations behind your baptism then take a dunk!

[Lightseer]

abrother wrote:

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How STUPID can you get?? When we get baptised; we get baptised in Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. No belief in a three headed freakish god should not indicate that. Even a 13 year person should know that too. Unless you have the mentality less than a 13 years old person.

In the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. What exactly is the "name" of the Holy Spirit?

[Lightseer]

Topsy Crett wrote:

Lightseer with the consequences of Dfing in the JW faith I have come to the conclusion that it is very unfair to baptize anyone under teh age of 17.
As far as your new baptism, it is all symbolic, so do what you want. If you think your previous baptism didnt meet your new requirements then feel free.
JW's re-baptize people from other faiths into the organization all the time. If you have come to the conclusion that Jesus is part of a Trinitarian GOD and that you non-beleif in that somehow prevented Jesus from seeing your true motivations behind your baptism then take a dunk!

Of course it is my choice. I'm no longer a minor, as I was when the JWs dunked me.

I have come to believe that baptism was done in error; I was a minor and not qualified to enter into a contract. I too do not believe that JWs should not be baptized before the age of majority.

I'm a ways off from baptism into the Christian faith at this point. Maybe not by much, but I have more to learn.

[jimi]

abrother wrote:

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How STUPID can you get?? When we get baptised; we get baptised in Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. No belief in a three headed freakish god should not indicate that. Even a 13 year person should know that too. Unless you have the mentality less than a 13 years old person.

Brother ABrother thank you for your spiritually uplifting comments.

[dee]

Topsy Crett wrote:

I thought that was obvious.
Remember though that JW's feel that Jesus appointed the FDS, who represent Jehovah's visible organization on earth, who dispense spiritual food through the publishing entity known as teh WTBTS.
So, in the new JW's mind by dedicating oneself to the organization they are dedicating themselves to Jesus.
Draw whatever conclusion you want to from that.

That goes against what the bible says. The JW'S are therefore wrong to even believe the WTBS.