Why Are Some "Christians" So Hateful? - Pt. 1

[Ocean56]

It truly amazes -- and disgusts -- me that so many people claim to be "Christian" yet display such ugliness and hatred toward all those who don't share their beliefs. We see it expressed here on this board, and on countless other boards as well. Yet when called on this, they routinely DENY it, claiming it is "anger" or "regret" that we don't believe or something equally dishonest. Not only that, but these same "christians" will then say WE are the "hateful" ones, for daring to be honest enough to say we know hatred when we see it.

I've lost count of how many threads I've seen condemning harmless things such as homosexuality, premarital sex, contraception, and unbelief in christianity, saying there should be laws against all of them. Some "christian" hypocrites have gone as far as to write that homosexuality should be a capital offense, and anyone who is gay or lesbian should be executed, as brutally as humanly possible. That is a "christian" ideal to strive for? I guess so, if the "christian" you're talking to is one of those hate-filled ones such as Fred Phelps, Ann Coulter, Pat Robertson, or John Hagee (I think Hagee's first name is John, not 100% sure though). Or any of their mindless wannabe followers.

One has to wonder if any of them bothered to consider the possibility that all the hate-filled drek in their bible may be WRONG, and that, just maybe, there might be a better way to go. A way that is far more positive and beneficial to mankind, and one more in line with what Jesus, whom they claim to be their leader, actually wanted. Seems to me that Jesus would have wanted them go the positive way instead of the negative, wouldn't he? Did Jesus really LIKE poverty or did he just accept it? Maybe in his time, there really were no choices. But that is NOT the case now.

So, instead of constantly preaching hate-filled and blame-filled garbage, why not consider the idea of doing something to eliminate, or at least significantly reduce, the terrible conditions that these "christians" only TALK about, such as poverty, for example? Instead of putting forced "christian" prayer and bible study into our public schools, why not put the TRADES into our public schools instead?

(Pt. 2 on next post)

S.I.N.= Self Inflicted NONSENSE

[Ocean56]

Part 2 -

You know, the trades that would give all junior high school and high school students a way to earn a good and decent living, both during the time they're attending school, and when they graduate, such as computer skills like word processing and desktop publishing, programming, learning how to use spreadsheet software. And/or the building trades, such as basic carpentry, plumbing, electrical, masonry, bricklaying, to name just a few.

This could be done so easily, by exercising a little creativity, yet we hear from school officials nothing but lame excuses why this "can't be done." NONSENSE! What are these small-minded officials afraid of? Ticking off the local vocational schools that are charging high fees for their courses, and locking out the less affluent students, giving them NO chance to learn these essential skills, perhaps? Maybe these school-board officials should just grow a backbone instead of worrying about "offending" those who don't merit much consideration anyway.

As far as I'M concerned, Robert G. Ingersoll said it best: "...the time to be happy is now. The place to be happy is here. The way to be happy is to make others so." Eliminating poverty for many, by giving young people a way to earn a good, comfortable living before they graduate high school is one very good way of making people happy. Yet some "christians" would call such happiness "selfish." Why they'd make such a ridiculous claim is beyond me. So what have the militant, hard-line conservative or evangelical "christians" EVER done to make anyone happy? The way I see it, they have done NOTHING in that regard. So, until they decide to do something more positive than spew hatred for those who don't share their toxic beliefs, they deserve nothing. Nothing but contempt anyway, which they will continue to receive.

S.I.N.= Self Inflicted NONSENSE

[MicMom]

Ocean, I'm sorry some people do not portray their beliefs very well. However, I'm a Christian and I believe that premarital sex, homosexually, etc is harmful. I believe in and it is written in the Bible. If having a view and own beliefs that is not yours considered "hateful" then so be it.

[Ocean56]

MicMom wrote:

Ocean, I'm sorry some people do not portray their beliefs very well. However, I'm a Christian and I believe that premarital sex, homosexually, etc is harmful. I believe in and it is written in the Bible. If having a view and own beliefs that is not yours considered "hateful" then so be it.

Then please explain HOW either premarital sex and homosexuality is "harmful." Other than the lame old "the bible says so, and that settles it" excluse, that is. How does either one of them affect YOUR life directly? Unless you are constantly thinking about one or the other and CHOOSING to get offended by them, neither one affects your life at all, when you get right down to it.

I'll grant that homosexuality can be and does cause a risk of harm to those who practice it. But I don't buy the argument that it is harmful for society at large.

Premarital sex never did ME any harm either. Oh, there were some broken relationships, but that is to be expected when one is not ready for marriage. And I certainly was NOT ready for either marriage OR parenthood in my teens and all through my twenties. Some people are just not ready for either one at such young ages.

The belief that homosexuality or premarital sex causes "harm" is only spread because it "causes harm" to the religion that spreads such a belief. Homosexuality doesn't produce children, therefore there are less members to perpetuate that religion into future generations. Premarital sex with contraception but without marriage also produces less children, which means the same thing; less future members. I guess that's why militant christian religionists insist that such practices cause "harm" and must therefore be condemned, along with the so-called "sinner?" Sorry, but as far as I'M concerned, it's a LOSING argument, and doesn't convince me that such is the case.

S.I.N.= Self Inflicted NONSENSE

[John Coffey]

Ocean wrote:
So, instead of constantly preaching hate-filled and blame-filled garbage

John Coffey wrote:
And what is it that you think you are doing with your post and this thread. The same thing you are accusing others of.

Remember when you point a finger at someone else 3 on your own hand are pointing back at you.

[TLJ]

There is a large range of beliefs among every different group whether it be Christian, atheist, New Agers....from the hateful extremists to the overly pious. I wouldn't paint with such a broad brush.

There are people who claim to be Christians but don't believe in the Holy Spirit or the Bible (they confuse me a bit). There are Christians who are so focused on "casting out Satan" that they seem extreme to me. And while our beliefs of what is right or wrong, or that there is a hell and who goes there, etc., etc., pretty much are in line with eachothers beliefs, what we do with them is where the difference lies.

Some want Christianity taught in our schools, I happen to believe that it's my job to teach it to my kids. Some think we need to get out there and shout scripture on the street corners, I think that is a pushy way to pass on God's Word. And the list goes on. But the same extremes are found in every group. There are atheists who have made it their lifes mission to bash Christians or anyone else who disagrees with their views. Then there are those atheists who can discuss different belief systems, and exchange ideas with those they don't see eye to eye with, without feeling the need to assert some supposed supperiority by calling these beliefs false, or my favorite "myths".

We can't make everyone get along, all we can do, is do our best to treat people right, and help those we see in need and hope it makes a difference in those who are seeking a better way.

Watch someone start a thread called "Why are atheists so hateful", it seems to be the thing to do on these boards.
:)

[JustWow]

Very nice Ocean

[FundieSmacker]

MicMom wrote:

Ocean, I'm sorry some people do not portray their beliefs very well. However, I'm a Christian and I believe that premarital sex, homosexually, etc is harmful. I believe in and it is written in the Bible. If having a view and own beliefs that is not yours considered "hateful" then so be it.

Believing it is perfectly fine personally as this is of course a free country, even though I don't share your views on this. Forcing others to agree with it is where I can, do and will continue to draw the line.

[FundieSmacker]

John Coffey wrote:

Ocean wrote:
So, instead of constantly preaching hate-filled and blame-filled garbage
John Coffey wrote:
And what is it that you think you are doing with your post and this thread. The same thing you are accusing others of.
Remember when you point a finger at someone else 3 on your own hand are pointing back at you.

Stating one's opinion is what these boards are for. Stating others should be forced to believe as you or anyone else does is NOT tolerable, will be spoken out against and points fingers only at the hypocrites who spout it. If that means you, consider yourself pointed at.

[FundieSmacker]

Ocean56 wrote:

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Then please explain HOW either premarital sex and homosexuality is "harmful." Other than the lame old "the bible says so, and that settles it" excluse, that is. How does either one of them affect YOUR life directly? Unless you are constantly thinking about one or the other and CHOOSING to get offended by them, neither one affects your life at all, when you get right down to it.
I'll grant that homosexuality can be and does cause a risk of harm to those who practice it. But I don't buy the argument that it is harmful for society at large.
Premarital sex never did ME any harm either. Oh, there were some broken relationships, but that is to be expected when one is not ready for marriage. And I certainly was NOT ready for either marriage OR parenthood in my teens and all through my twenties. Some people are just not ready for either one at such young ages.
The belief that homosexuality or premarital sex causes "harm" is only spread because it "causes harm" to the religion that spreads such a belief. Homosexuality doesn't produce children, therefore there are less members to perpetuate that religion into future generations. Premarital sex with contraception but without marriage also produces less children, which means the same thing; less future members. I guess that's why militant christian religionists insist that such practices cause "harm" and must therefore be condemned, along with the so-called "sinner?" Sorry, but as far as I'M concerned, it's a LOSING argument, and doesn't convince me that such is the case.
S.I.N.= Self Inflicted NONSENSE

Indeed. Well said, and thanks, Ocean!

[bagr8mom]

This banter will go on forever, as the "Christians" would never bow to the idea (FACT) that they are the most judgemental, bias, confrontational people on the planet. Does the Bible not encourage love, peace, fellowship, kindness to others, do unto others as...??? It was never left up to Jesus' followers (us, the commom folk) to be judge and jury in any way, shape or form. If I am homosexual, a junkie, a bad mother, have premarital sex, or have an abortion, it in no way affects you, your life, your children, your family or your day to day activities, unless you want it to so you can continue to "Preach" (bet your not ordained), and shove your "Religion" down others throats!!! Here in the town I live in there is a protest every year concerning abortion. "Christians" line the main road for an entire day with there banners, signs and posters, claiming that abortion is a "sin" and you will burn in hell if such acts are performed. I have to laugh, as they are on this road with their infants and toddlers (roaming as they wish as these "parents" are more concerned with "preaching" to drivers by more than they are the safety of these children. It really is a circus freak show.

[Sneed Hearn]

Ocean56 wrote:

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S.I.N.= Self Inflicted NONSENSE

This right here is why you will never reach agreement with persons who profess to be Christian. They have a completely different point of view. It's just not the sort of thing you can reach a compromise on.-- SH

[Sneed Hearn]

bagr8mom wrote:

If I am homosexual, a junkie, a bad mother, have premarital sex, or have an abortion, it in no way affects you, your life, your children, your family or your day to day activities,

Probably a true statement. The true Christian, and it seems as if you haven't encountered very many, will express concern for you and how you will spend eternity; not how your choices are harming him in this world. It is not the place of the Christian to be judgemental. They should share their belief that sin exists (for everyone, nto just a select few), that it seperates us from God, and that there is a path to correct this. The rest is up to you and God.

[Afmo]

religion is a gathering point for individuals so insecure with themselves and their lives that they have this irrational need to congregate and oppress other people to make themselves feel better.

Ask yourself why "christians" (but all religions in reality) are always concerning themselves with other peoples business. Whats the point?

Doesn't your book tell you to "do unto others?" So, if you are going to abide by your book,and "do unto others" you want me to actively attempt to deny your ability to marriage? You want me to deny your right to choose whats right for you? You want me to judge you based on your beliefs? YOU GOT IT.

Religion is a crutch for the weak and simple minded. Join the age of reason and leave your religions back in the dark ages where it belongs.

Its great to have a relationship with your creator, no matter what you want to call it, but organized religion is a construct of humans, not of the divine, and it will always, and has always been a tool to drive the ambitions of corrupt men, not a tool for achieving spiritual connection with god.

[FundieSmacker]

Sneed Hearn wrote:

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This right here is why you will never reach agreement with persons who profess to be Christian. They have a completely different point of view. It's just not the sort of thing you can reach a compromise on.-- SH

Folks who ardently believe in a higher power of whatever sort will not listen to anything to the contrary, that is true, and I've seen it repeatedly played out here, but the sad things is the hypocrisy that goes along with it - the insults, the lying, that comes from the same crowd.

Believing whatever anyone wants is fine, but forcing others to believe it or saying things are facts when they clearly are not is not fine.

[TLJ]

FundieSmacker wrote:

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Folks who ardently believe in a higher power of whatever sort will not listen to anything to the contrary, that is true, and I've seen it repeatedly played out here, but the sad things is the hypocrisy that goes along with it - the insults, the lying, that comes from the same crowd.
Believing whatever anyone wants is fine, but forcing others to believe it or saying things are facts when they clearly are not is not fine.

But again, you are making a really broad statement about one group of people. There are extremists in every group who seem to be full of hate. I really don't even believe they are the majority, they are just the loudest and most persistent.

No matter what label you or I fall under (not just Christian), we don't have to respect eachothers beliefs. We just have to respect eachothers right to those beliefs.

[Sneed Hearn]

I'm happy for you that you have all the answers to life's questions. Have a nice weekend.

Afmo wrote:

Religion is a crutch for the weak and simple minded. Join the age of reason and leave your religions back in the dark ages where it belongs.

[OMG]

MicMom wrote:

Ocean, I'm sorry some people do not portray their beliefs very well. However, I'm a Christian and I believe that premarital sex, homosexually, etc is harmful. I believe in and it is written in the Bible. If having a view and own beliefs that is not yours considered "hateful" then so be it.

It's one thing to have your own views. It's another thing when you judge others. It evolves into hate. God does not want you judging others. He wants you to focus on your own sins. If you don't practice premarital sex or homosexual behavior, then good for you. Now work on cleaning up you own sins.

[Guess who]

Was Jesus always nice? Did he get angry? He called some people white washed seplechers...Was that nice?

[Guess who]

When someone is f-ing you should you be nice?