Rabbis Debate Kosher Ethics at Meat Plant

[Gabe]

Victor wrote:

<quoted text>Kosher means a company paid a Rabbi to bless the food from his distant office. Its a simple shakedown, as the jews call you antisemite if you dont go along. Its a food tax moslty against us gentiles. For awhile i tried to shop non kosher and youd be suprised how little that leaves you! I still buy products I know I can get that didnt allow themselves to be shaken down.

The cost to the consumer per product is $0.000065 for the kosher stamp.

[Gabe]

First off remember that orthodox Jews are just like many orthodox religious people. They are not the benchmark for every Jew.

Secondly, a company hired these people, not Jewish Rabbis and certainly not every Jewish person in the world. It is no different than every other company that uses sweatshop labor in foreign countries or that uses illegals in this country.

[Mr_Bill]

Gabe wrote:

First off remember that orthodox Jews are just like many orthodox religious people. They are not the benchmark for every Jew.
Secondly, a company hired these people, not Jewish Rabbis and certainly not every Jewish person in the world. It is no different than every other company that uses sweatshop labor in foreign countries or that uses illegals in this country.

True, They are unregulated capitalists, not rabbis.

[Card Carrying Zionist]

Victor wrote:

<quoted text>Kosher means a company paid a Rabbi to bless the food from his distant office. Its a simple shakedown, as the jews call you antisemite if you dont go along. Its a food tax moslty against us gentiles. For awhile i tried to shop non kosher and youd be suprised how little that leaves you! I still buy products I know I can get that didnt allow themselves to be shaken down.

I'd like to see you document a location where non-kosher food is unavailable due to this alleged shake down. Don't worry, there's plenty of non-kosher food for a pig like you to purchase. But for others who may be reading this posting, be aware that kosher certification is not monolitithic--that's why there are so many different hekhserim. Different kosher certifying agencies vary in their strictness. Yes, I've heard stories about groups that are mainly interested in money, but others take there work very seriously. A worker is worth his wages, so if you don't want to pay the extra money for kosher food, no one is forcing you to do so.

[Torch]

It is totally amazing how ignorant you writers are !!!

[You silly Goy]

Hello wrote:

Seriously what does a Rabbi concider Kosher? We need a Rabbi here...How do you make a rabbit Kosher?

you split his bunny neck and bleed him out, while babbling in talmudic dribble, while a goyim boy performs oral sex on you.

[Skeptical of Kosher]

Card Carrying Zionist wrote:

<quoted text>
I'd like to see you document a location where non-kosher food is unavailable due to this alleged shake down. Don't worry, there's plenty of non-kosher food for a pig like you to purchase. But for others who may be reading this posting, be aware that kosher certification is not monolitithic--that's why there are so many different hekhserim. Different kosher certifying agencies vary in their strictness. Yes, I've heard stories about groups that are mainly interested in money, but others take there work very seriously. A worker is worth his wages, so if you don't want to pay the extra money for kosher food, no one is forcing you to do so.

I was just at my local giant, and my kid wanted Brownies. I looked for non kosher brownies yet every brand was kosher. Please tell me why a religous blessing is required for my brownies when Im not jewish? If everything Im eating is kosher Im paying for a service I do not require or desire. I think YOU should be paying for the food to be Kosher, not US paying for you. Jews are 3 percent of the population so 97 percent of the food is being consumed, so taxed by this. IT IS a shakedown!

[Card Carrying Zionist]

Skeptical of Kosher wrote:

I was just at my local giant, and my kid wanted Brownies. I looked for non kosher brownies yet every brand was kosher. Please tell me why a religous blessing is required for my brownies when Im not jewish? If everything Im eating is kosher Im paying for a service I do not require or desire. I think YOU should be paying for the food to be Kosher, not US paying for you. Jews are 3 percent of the population so 97 percent of the food is being consumed, so taxed by this. IT IS a shakedown!

It's not a shakedown, it's capitalism. In many areas, it is very difficult to get kosher food. Because of anti-semtism? No, because there is not a sufficent market (or at least not a perceived market) for more kosher food. I'm not an expert on brownies, but there are plenty of non-kosher snacks (with which you can eat lard to heart's content). But maybe you're right about non-kosher brownies. The answer is not to make crybaby statements about shakedowns, but to use your buying power. If necessary, boycott stores that won't stock the foods that you want.

[J Barrett Wolf]

Skeptical of Kosher wrote:

<quoted text>I was just at my local giant, and my kid wanted Brownies. I looked for non kosher brownies yet every brand was kosher. Please tell me why a religous blessing is required for my brownies when Im not jewish? If everything Im eating is kosher Im paying for a service I do not require or desire. I think YOU should be paying for the food to be Kosher, not US paying for you. Jews are 3 percent of the population so 97 percent of the food is being consumed, so taxed by this. IT IS a shakedown!

Your complaint is with the food manufacturers, not the government and not the Rabbinate...

It's all voluntary. The brownie company will tell you that it is easier and LESS expensive to have all the food declared Kosher than it is to have a separate preparation line only for the Kosher stuff.

If they set up a separate factory to make kosher brownies it would cost more - and you can bet they'll charge more for ALL the brownies to cover it.

There are many other labels that companies pay for... When you buy an electric fan it may come with the UL (underwriters label) stamped on it somewhere...That's a non-governmental organization that certifies that the electrical work in the fan (or other electric appliance) is up to some code or other... The 'good houskeeping seal' on many product - another non-government 'seal of approval'.

It occurs to me that, behind your nonsense tax argument, is something more sinister - do you think something is done to the food? Are you afraid you might catch 'Jewishness' from it?

Relax... Nobody's asking you to eat gefilte fish.

[Gabe]

Read my post above about how much it actually costs per item. Not even close to a penny per item. Muslims and 7th Day Adventists also keep kosher as well.

By the way everything is US society is Christian, so if you have a problem with kosher food, TFB.

[J Barrett Wolf]

Gabe wrote:

Read my post above about how much it actually costs per item. Not even close to a penny per item. Muslims and 7th Day Adventists also keep kosher as well.
By the way everything is US society is Christian, so if you have a problem with kosher food, TFB.

You are right about the money...

But the 'Christian' comment is way off base.
Most of life in America is secular. There may be people who are more or less 'christian' in behavior and attitude - but I get along just fine and have no problem believing outside their little box.

[Gabe]

J Barrett Wolf wrote:

<quoted text>
You are right about the money...
But the 'Christian' comment is way off base.
Most of life in America is secular. There may be people who are more or less 'christian' in behavior and attitude - but I get along just fine and have no problem believing outside their little box.

I tend to disagree. I agree that it is not a religious state and is for the most part secular, but there are definitely elements you can't ignore. I don't personally have any problem with it, but the people that'll complain about one thing being Jewish, don't realize that US society is built around them.

[strategist]

Hello wrote:

Seriously what does a Rabbi concider Kosher? We need a Rabbi here...How do you make a rabbit Kosher?

Circumcise the rabbit by a rabbi?

[Willard]

Its allways a jew telling you why you are wrong, how your laws unjust, why you need to bend for someone. You guys are a crime synicate masking as a religeon. Whenever you see propaganda on TV look for the swindling Jew behind it. You guys are a plauge on society.

[Eric]

Willard wrote:

Its allways a jew telling you why you are wrong, how your laws unjust, why you need to bend for someone. You guys are a crime synicate masking as a religeon. Whenever you see propaganda on TV look for the swindling Jew behind it. You guys are a plauge on society.

Would you like some cheese with your whine?

[J Barrett Wolf]

Willard wrote:

Its allways a jew telling you why you are wrong, how your laws unjust, why you need to bend for someone. You guys are a crime synicate masking as a religeon. Whenever you see propaganda on TV look for the swindling Jew behind it. You guys are a plauge on society.

Ignorance is supposed to be bliss.
Why do you sound so unhappy?

[Card Carrying Zionist]

Willard wrote:

Its allways a jew telling you why you are wrong...

Dear Willard,
You are Wrong.

Shalom,
A Jew

[Gabe]

Willard wrote:

Its allways a jew telling you why you are wrong, how your laws unjust, why you need to bend for someone. You guys are a crime synicate masking as a religeon. Whenever you see propaganda on TV look for the swindling Jew behind it. You guys are a plauge on society.

If you stopped being wrong, then there'd be no need for it. By the way corporations own things nowadays not individuals anymore.