Letter to the editor: Ideas of 'heroism' may vary greatly

Why is McCain called a war hero? A question recently asked by Retired Naval Capt.

[Goober]

It appeared to me that Capt. Loomis seemed a bit jealous but certainly entitled to an opinion nevertheless.
I define hero as someone who risked their life in the service of others.... never Hollywood celeb's or sports participants, but firemen and warriors.

Anyone flying over flak certainly qualifies.

[Joe]

While it's not perfectly clear what Loomis's motives are for trying to raise doubt about John McCain being a hero, it is clear that Loomis's background as a graduate of Leftist Liberal Princeton University--no matter what his class standing--would increase the probability that he, like many of his classmates, is a Liberal who finds fault with America and fellow Americans like John McCain who have served their country in combat. Anyone who climbed into an airplane and flew over North Vietnam where Surface-to-Air(SAM) missles were fired at American aircraft is a hero in my view. That is what McCain did and while on his 23rd mission his A-4 Skyhawk was hit. In all the LTE Loomis sent to local papers, there's no mention of his combat record. Maybe there is none. Liberals are like that.

[Anon 33]

Who says that Loomis is really a retired CAPT? Very easy to claim a background in a LTE that isn't real. If he was what he says he was I would wager he never experienced anything any more dangerous, or painful, than a paper cut and certainly represents what naval aviators ridicule in a great many other "naval officers" - that they are 30 knot minds in a 90 knot headwind.

[Patty Wack]

http://judicial-inc.biz/82jjohn_mccain_and_th...

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/539...

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/003776.ht...

Hero?

No, a traitor yes.

[Max]

Loomis's spate of Letters to the Editor about McCain puts him in the same low class as Leftist Liberal Weasley Kanne Clark, the Army general who recently denigrated McCain in his remarks trying to suck up to Obama because Clark aspires to a job in Obama's administration. General Hugh Shelton and Secretary of Defense Cohen removed Clark from the job of SACEUR long before his tour was complete. Why? Shelton said it was due to integrity and character issues Clark has. Loomis lives in Chambersburg so it's easy to see if there's an Obama sign in his yard or Obama08 bumper sticker on his car. Bet there is.

[Eunice]

Patty Wack wrote:

http://judicial-inc.biz/82jjoh n_mccain_and_the_uss_forresta. htm
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/539...
http://www.defensetech.org/archives/003776.ht...
Hero?
No, a traitor yes.

Tell us about your military service, or any service to your country, Miss Wacko. Being a Leftist Liberal does not qualify you to call John McCain a traitor to his country. The vitriol in your post immediately reduces your credibility to zero.

[Lil John]

Patty Wack wrote:

http://judicial-inc.biz/82jjoh n_mccain_and_the_uss_forresta. htm
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/539...
http://www.defensetech.org/archives/003776.ht...
Hero?
No, a traitor yes.

'The latest news on the Liberty, the Navy spook ship attacked by Israel on June 8, 1967,'
http://www.defensetech.org/archives/003776.ht...

let's see now-- 1967 that would put Lyndon Johnson in charge, Hmmm -- As you blame Bush for every thing Why aren't you blaming a democratic president this time?
If traitor is in your vocabulary it comes from your image in the mirror!

Term wacko is accurate! You are a superficial slimer for movon.org etc.

[Lil John]

Patty Wack wrote:

http://judicial-inc.biz/82jjoh n_mccain_and_the_uss_forresta. htm
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/539...
http://www.defensetech.org/archives/003776.ht...
Hero?
No, a traitor yes.

I find it illuminating that the gist of your rant is that McCain did not request the inquiry to re open -- Hmm

Why didn't the so called author of these articles post other responses from senators? If I would want an inquiry into this incident I certainly wouldn't limit myself to just one letter to one Senator.

Where is his replies from others in the government? Did they all tell him he was a wacko as you are?

These articles are just slime from the kos and movon.org type slime addresses.

Where's your condemnation of LBJ and McNamara etc. of that period?

If you want to talk about who should be roasted from that period?---

Try LBJ, McNamara, Westmorland and the whole lot of them that ran the Vietnam war as if it was a arcade game costing thousands and thousands of lives because they ran a demonstration war designed not to win but to demonstrate something to the North.
But they were democrats and immune to your mouth!

Take your slime and put it where the sun don't shine-- wacko!

[Ted]

Looks like Da Boys are touchy today. They should get outta Topix and go wave some flags. I'm Gonna do it.

[Dave]

Max wrote:

Loomis's spate of Letters to the Editor about McCain puts him in the same low class as Leftist Liberal Weasley Kanne Clark, the Army general who recently denigrated McCain in his remarks trying to suck up to Obama because Clark aspires to a job in Obama's administration. General Hugh Shelton and Secretary of Defense Cohen removed Clark from the job of SACEUR long before his tour was complete. Why? Shelton said it was due to integrity and character issues Clark has. Loomis lives in Chambersburg so it's easy to see if there's an Obama sign in his yard or Obama08 bumper sticker on his car. Bet there is.

So, it is OK for you to trash a service man? You say all of this & yet don't lnow if this man does support Obama? I suppoose if there is a sign in his yard that you will march over & rip it out.

I think McCain is a hero for serving in time of war. He pushed that status up quite a few notches when he would not leave the "hilton" unless they all could.

As for Clark, the idea that McCain did not have command experience (which would relate to valid credentials for being President)is just a fact.

Some of the other stuff was not called for. He should not have diminished his service by saying he just flew well above everything & dropped bomb on women & children. He should have stopped with the command experience statement. I don't know what, if any, combat experience Clark has.

[Dave]

The idea that McCain was in combat & was a POW, should be an asset.

You listen to Bush say that fighting in Iraq & maybe getting shot or blown up is "romantic" and you think that this is what you get from one that has never served.

I would hope that McCain ,knowing the horrors of war, would avoid war unless absolutely necessary.

But no.

Some who came back from these wars (vietnam, Iraq) work to end the war. They do not want their children, brothers & sisters, and friends to go thru it.

McCain's attitude is I did it, so screw you its your turn. He used to be against torture but now has signed on to it.

This is one reason he will not get my vote. We don't need another war monger.

[Lil John]

Dave wrote:

The idea that McCain was in combat & was a POW, should be an asset.
You listen to Bush say that fighting in Iraq & maybe getting shot or blown up is "romantic" and you think that this is what you get from one that has never served.
I would hope that McCain ,knowing the horrors of war, would avoid war unless absolutely necessary.
But no.
Some who came back from these wars (vietnam, Iraq) work to end the war. They do not want their children, brothers & sisters, and friends to go thru it.
McCain's attitude is I did it, so screw you its your turn. He used to be against torture but now has signed on to it.
This is one reason he will not get my vote. We don't need another war monger.

""McCain's attitude is I did it, so screw you its your turn. He used to be against torture but now has signed on to it."'

McCain sent you a letter I suppose telling you this? Please!

I rather have a person of McCains character as President than somebody that has only oratory skills to challenge terrorists and terrorist sponsors. What's he going to do, talk em to death?

If McCain according to Clark has no command experience -- what the hell does Obama have? A 'Junior Senator'. What skills besides a mouth does he bring to the table? He hasn't been tested in anything in life, except his Ivy Leage education.

Oh, I forgot he has 'visions' of change. Give us a break dave, and deal with the realities of life in the 21at century!

[Jack]

Dave wrote:

<quoted text>
So, it is OK for you to trash a service man? You say all of this & yet don't lnow if this man does support Obama? I suppoose if there is a sign in his yard that you will march over & rip it out.
I think McCain is a hero for serving in time of war. He pushed that status up quite a few notches when he would not leave the "hilton" unless they all could.
As for Clark, the idea that McCain did not have command experience (which would relate to valid credentials for being President)is just a fact.
Some of the other stuff was not called for. He should not have diminished his service by saying he just flew well above everything & dropped bomb on women & children. He should have stopped with the command experience statement. I don't know what, if any, combat experience Clark has.

Liberal Dave, Loomis should not be given a pass. He sent the LTEs which indicates he has an agenda. He questions McCain's being seen as a hero. Since Loomis "opened fire" it's not trashing him to return fire. Dave, you ought to know that one must be prepared to take it as well as give it. That applies to you too, Liberal Dave. A great many Liberals think they are privileged to snipe and throw rocks at others but it's an outrage if their fire is returned.

[Lil John]

Here's Obama's questionnaire he filled out when running for the Illinois senate--
http://www.politico.com/pdf/PPM43_080328_obam...

See where he has changed his position since then,
and what he doesn't want people to know.

Especially check out the section on welfare. It flies in the face of his recent stance!

Which is his 'real' stance on social issues? What he says now or then?

It certainly goes to creditability showing that he has none!

[Lil John]

His stance now -- jeez what a change a campaign makes.

Barack Obama is championing welfare reform in his new television ad titled "Dignity." The ad says that Obama "passed a law to move people from welfare to work — slashed the rolls by 80 percent."

But the television spot fails to mention that Obama resisted the very welfare reform bill that led to the reduction in the caseload. Back in 1996, President Bill Clinton signed a federal reform bill in an effort to make welfare what he called "a second chance, not a way of life."

But then-Illinois state Senator Obama told the Cleveland Plain Dealer newspaper that year that Mr. Clinton's stance on welfare was "disturbing."

And on May 31, 1997 Obama said on the floor of the Illinois state Senate, "I probably would not have supported the federal legislation."

You couple his orginal vision of welfare as stated in his questionaire with the promises he's making, it seems to be counter with his stance now and his obivious attempt to rectify his slump in blue collar democrats support.

Just shows you that he will say anything to get votes.

[Dave]

Lil John wrote:

<quoted text>
""McCain's attitude is I did it, so screw you its your turn. He used to be against torture but now has signed on to it."'
McCain sent you a letter I suppose telling you this? Please!
I rather have a person of McCains character as President than somebody that has only oratory skills to challenge terrorists and terrorist sponsors. What's he going to do, talk em to death?
If McCain according to Clark has no command experience -- what the hell does Obama have? A 'Junior Senator'. What skills besides a mouth does he bring to the table? He hasn't been tested in anything in life, except his Ivy Leage education.
Oh, I forgot he has 'visions' of change. Give us a break dave, and deal with the realities of life in the 21at century!

I never said Obama has military experience. I just said that MCain did not have command experience. It is not ike McCain has run anything. He went from the military to what? Working for a beer distributor & then Senator.

Has John McCain ever voted against a war? Have a problem, send in the troops.

McCain, held for over 5 years & tortured thinks we should hold people for ever, with no recourse, & torture them. This is what I am saying. It goes for his Character. It is a predictor of his future actions.

Character is not telling a lie to beat Romney in Florida.

Obama does not have military experience in time of war. I guess we need to clean out a lot of people in government, business, etc. They all must be worthless scum as they did not serve in time of war.

Obama worked his way & earned his way to Princeton & Harvard. He did not have that silver spoon that McCain had that got him in the academy.

[Dave]

Jack wrote:

<quoted text>Liberal Dave, Loomis should not be given a pass. He sent the LTEs which indicates he has an agenda. He questions McCain's being seen as a hero. Since Loomis "opened fire" it's not trashing him to return fire. Dave, you ought to know that one must be prepared to take it as well as give it. That applies to you too, Liberal Dave. A great many Liberals think they are privileged to snipe and throw rocks at others but it's an outrage if their fire is returned.

Oh so only the right can pick on the military. These commenters trashed Loomis's service - I don't know the details but he did serve in the military - that is worth something.

Loomis has a higher definition of hero. That did not deserve the comments he received.

You didn't have a problem with Bush trashed McCain in 2000 with rumnors & lies.

Or when Bush & Rove demolished Max Cleland so they could win a seat in Congress. This a man who lost so much in service to his country trashed by your ilk. You say nothing.

If you cared about protecting our servicemen you would do it across the board and not when it fits into your narrowminded bigoted right wing philosophy.

[Forrest]

Dave wrote:

<quoted text>
I never said Obama has military experience. I just said that MCain did not have command experience. It is not ike McCain has run anything. He went from the military to what? Working for a beer distributor & then Senator.
Has John McCain ever voted against a war? Have a problem, send in the troops.
McCain, held for over 5 years & tortured thinks we should hold people for ever, with no recourse, & torture them. This is what I am saying. It goes for his Character. It is a predictor of his future actions.
Character is not telling a lie to beat Romney in Florida.
Obama does not have military experience in time of war. I guess we need to clean out a lot of people in government, business, etc. They all must be worthless scum as they did not serve in time of war.
Obama worked his way & earned his way to Princeton & Harvard. He did not have that silver spoon that McCain had that got him in the academy.

Dave, it's time you obey "The Law of Holes" -- when in one, stop digging. McCain does have command experience. He commanded the largest squadron in the USN. It was not a combat squadron, but it damn sure qualifies as command time. You're entitled to your opinions but not your own facts.

[Lil John]

Obama worked his way & earned his way to Princeton & Harvard. He did not have that silver spoon that McCain had that got him in the academy.'--- Bull!!!
Don't you recall that they paid off their students loans recently-- so he didn't work too much while attending school -- by the way, where did he work?
Clark presumed, as a surrogate, of Obsama's to spout off showing the glaring difference between McCain and Obama.

What command experience does Obama have if Clark thinks he's qualified to hold the office? Nada / None. Period.

Well Dave lets let all of the prisoners loose and be 'Politically Correct' according to you .. Idiot idea! did you see where a number of them that were freed returned to terrorism?

""AT LEAST 30 former Guantanamo Bay detainees have been killed or recaptured after taking up arms against allied forces following their release they have been discovered mostly in Afghanistan and Pakistan, but not in Iraq, a US Defence Department spokesman said""

[X Chambersburg Resident]

Patty Wack wrote:

http://judicial-inc.biz/82jjoh n_mccain_and_the_uss_forresta. htm
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/539...
http://www.defensetech.org/archives/003776.ht...
Hero?
No, a traitor yes.

You will believe anything won't you Wack Job...