Iran bill to ease polygamy angers women

[Human]

Oh lets not forget say a man in Iran is married he gets the hots for the 9 year old little girl his wife babysits well he can "marry her " molest and violate her act like the perverted sexual preditor he is and the females are supposed to worship him for it,

[Human]

Mst wrote:

Besides it must be said truly that it is not very bad idea - quite pragmatic. Men are just so selfish beings that they are no monogamists - I do not know why - maybe this male sex has an emotional damage - they do not feel as women feel - they are unfortunately quite another. And European or American man says to wife with 2 children -,,sorry, but I don`t need you after 6 or 10 years of marriage because I love and have sex with a new woman ,, and he leaves family and sets up new home - new woman younger better in bed, new children and end- big drama and tragedy for left old wife and old children. But Iranians want to solve this eternal male problem in another way - they do not want to leave old wife and harm children, they want to have both wives: old wife and young one. Maybe it is better solution.

Another problem with your bs theory is that men still readily divorce there wives in islam even the little 9 year old girls they violated!

[wwman]

Human wrote:

<quoted text>?
So you like the idea of men being man wh*res and praised for it while women and little girls are brutally slaughtered for aleged sexual misconduct which means .even things so mild as being acused of flirting., Because thats the culture of Iran!

Well thats the musslim relidgion for you. Dont see any of them try to defend this one.Mst is just a cartoon wind up W.O.G.one of many l just hope they dont breed.

[sealawyer]

That's why we have child support, alimony, divorce courts as equalizers. You're in the 21st
century now. You may as well immigrate to Iran.

[truth seeking]

Jones wrote:

Women are treated as sheep and as property of Islamic men since the Islamic Jihadist Mohammad demanded that when he started Islam as a nomad sheep shepherd in a cave in Saudi Arabia desert in 632 AD.
Women have no rights according to the Quran and can be killed by Islamic man if his honor as an Islamic male was 'scratched'.
The evil Iranian regime is a radical Islamic fanatical regime that lives according to the barbarian 7th century nomad shepherds rules that equates women to sheep.
The apocalyptic Ahmadinajad who pushes Iranian people off the cliff in the name of the Islamic Allah believes that he himself is the new 'returned' Imam the Twelfth from the 7th century and is ready to kill millions of people that are infidels according to the demands of Mohammad.
It is time to outlaw radical Islam in US as the religion that approves honor killing of women and infidels for Islamic reward.

It's the same for fundamentalists of ALL religions.

[Trisha]

Human wrote:

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Or eating ice cream or buying cucumbers ect!

OH!!

For a second there, I thought you wrote 'cucumbers erect!'

yikes!!!

[Trisha]

truth seeking wrote:

<quoted text>
It's the same for fundamentalists of ALL religions.

ONLY ISLAM has any governmental power.

Therefore has the force of law behind it to abuse women.

Noticed that??

[Marco the atheist]

Mst wrote:

Besides it must be said truly that it is not very bad idea - quite pragmatic.

Pragmatic? Let's see what else you have to say.

Mst wrote:

Men are just so selfish beings that they are no monogamists - I do not know why - maybe this male sex has an emotional damage - they do not feel as women feel - they are unfortunately quite another. And European or American man says to wife with 2 children -,,sorry, but I don`t need you after 6 or 10 years of marriage because I love and have sex with a new woman ,, and he leaves family and sets up new home - new woman younger better in bed, new children and end- big drama and tragedy for left old wife and old children.

Actually, what the Iranian government wants to allow is equivalent to a Westerner taking himself a mistress. But in this case OPENLY. And whatever the wife would argue, there is no way for her to get any justice. In the West, the wife would be getting the whole court system working in her favor, since the man committed a breach of contract. In Iran, that breach of the contract would be fully legal.

Mst wrote:

But Iranians want to solve this eternal male problem in another way - they do not want to leave old wife and harm children, they want to have both wives: old wife and young one. Maybe it is better solution.

What a great solution, old wife having to put up with new wife, without having anything to say...

Pragmatic? If you are a mysogenist to start out with!

[Librahoppa]

wwman wrote:

<quoted text> What a wind bag they dont have a choice.Just when you think you have read the stipidest post your ever going to read some muppet tops it congradulations fool!!

I do realize that topix attracts all kinds of idiots, so I will try and explain it to you.
Males are generally(but not always)physically stronger than women, and have always gotten their way on a personal level by using physical force, even though males try to deny this, it goes on. Males also PRESUME they are intelligent enough to make laws that are fair for all, in spite of the fact they use physical force to get their way in their personal lives. Statistically we all know that Sexism, Rape, Killings, domestic abuses and Racism has proved this to be mostly male dominated acts and mostly committed upon women. We can all agree to that.
Oppression theory explains things from a non-violent view. It lacks "total" truthfulness. The subject of violence itself is simply ommitted.
No one want's to talk about the true impact of violence, instead they buy into the non-violent way of doing things, even though non-violence has proven ineffective on state, political and peronal safety levels, people still chose to believe all the purposeful confusing language non-violent rhetoric brings. Non-violence encourages violence on all levels of humanity.
We can argue this forever, most people want to, but the bottom line is...men get their way by using physical force, period! They use their force to inact hateful law's against women(this requires no more physical violence at this point) and then the law is enforced through use of physical force and prison! If you think about it long enough you can see how women don't even get the chance to question this hateful tactic without some form of punishment because it isn't tolerated by the ruling males. History is a great teacher for those of us who really want the truth and not some country's tainted point of truth. I have listened to men and women argue the opposite of this a lot and all I have to do EVERYTIME is bring up the statistical data on who wins arguments and then enacts them through hateful laws, males do! never women....hhmmm, there must be something more to all this law making then huh? ya think? it is not because there are more men in law than women(women love to avoid the violent factor by bringing up this bs argument) and it is not because men are right all the time, they are not. So what else could it be?
Physical force has a way of changing things. When women learn how to use physical force for fairer treatment and banned together to discuss why violence is the only weapon males use against them to get they're way, but never in the woman's interest's, only then will women have an equal footing on this planet. Violence is a powerful tactic that get's our attention every time! Until then women can just keep arguing like it is going to do them good even though history has proven otherwise and they can keep believing that their gods and their religions are the reason they don't do violence, but in the end women will loose, why? because in their non-violent attempts at fairness they are constantly confronted by the very violence they pretend doesn't go on by males. So if you look at it from this perspective, women ask for it by constantly pretending it doesn't exist. They entrap themselves into slavery by giving into the violence to begin with. So when you say they don't have a choice, you are refusing to acknowledge that these women in Iran have a choice, but refuse to actively get off their abused asses and do something about it!

[mistral]

Mst wrote:

Besides it must be said truly that it is not very bad idea - quite pragmatic. Men are just so selfish beings that they are no monogamists - I do not know why - maybe this male sex has an emotional damage - they do not feel as women feel - they are unfortunately quite another. And European or American man says to wife with 2 children -,,sorry, but I don`t need you after 6 or 10 years of marriage because I love and have sex with a new woman ,, and he leaves family and sets up new home - new woman younger better in bed, new children and end- big drama and tragedy for left old wife and old children. But Iranians want to solve this eternal male problem in another way - they do not want to leave old wife and harm children, they want to have both wives: old wife and young one. Maybe it is better solution.

That solution leads to jealousy and murder. Again it's male streamed not taking into account woman's perspective. I've had 2 children and still have the body and energy of a 20 year old. I love life and eat to live not live to devour.

[Human]

sealawyer wrote:

That's why we have child support, alimony, divorce courts as equalizers. You're in the 21st
century now. You may as well immigrate to Iran.

They have divorce and all that crap in Iran as well!

[Alen]

Trisha wrote:

<quoted text>
ONLY ISLAM has any governmental power.
Therefore has the force of law behind it to abuse women.
Noticed that??

Islam did not abuse women, sunnism and Taliban abuse women with their leader Usama bi Laden.

Islam liberated women but when prophet Muhammad died, that liberation was stolen by sects: sunnis, shias,....

[wwman]

Librahoppa wrote:

<quoted text>
I do realize that topix attracts all kinds of idiots, so I will try and explain it to you.
Males are generally(but not always)physically stronger than women, and have always gotten their way on a personal level by using physical force, even though males try to deny this, it goes on. Males also PRESUME they are intelligent enough to make laws that are fair for all, in spite of the fact they use physical force to get their way in their personal lives. Statistically we all know that Sexism, Rape, Killings, domestic abuses and Racism has proved this to be mostly male dominated acts and mostly committed upon women. We can all agree to that.
Oppression theory explains things from a non-violent view. It lacks "total" truthfulness. The subject of violence itself is simply ommitted.
No one want's to talk about the true impact of violence, instead they buy into the non-violent way of doing things, even though non-violence has proven ineffective on state, political and peronal safety levels, people still chose to believe all the purposeful confusing language non-violent rhetoric brings. Non-violence encourages violence on all levels of humanity.
We can argue this forever, most people want to, but the bottom line is...men get their way by using physical force, period! They use their force to inact hateful law's against women(this requires no more physical violence at this point) and then the law is enforced through use of physical force and prison! If you think about it long enough you can see how women don't even get the chance to question this hateful tactic without some form of punishment because it isn't tolerated by the ruling males. History is a great teacher for those of us who really want the truth and not some country's tainted point of truth. I have listened to men and women argue the opposite of this a lot and all I have to do EVERYTIME is bring up the statistical data on who wins arguments and then enacts them through hateful laws, males do! never women....hhmmm, there must be something more to all this law making then huh? ya think? it is not because there are more men in law than women(women love to avoid the violent factor by bringing up this bs argument) and it is not because men are right all the time, they are not. So what else could it be?
Physical force has a way of changing things. When women learn how to use physical force for fairer treatment and banned together to discuss why violence is the only weapon males use against them to get they're way, but never in the woman's interest's, only then will women have an equal footing on this planet. Violence is a powerful tactic that get's our attention every time! Until then women can just keep arguing like it is going to do them good even though history has proven otherwise and they can keep believing that their gods and their religions are the reason they don't do violence, but in the end women will loose, why? because in their non-violent attempts at fairness they are constantly confronted by the very violence they pretend doesn't go on by males. So if you look at it from this perspective, women ask for it by constantly pretending it doesn't exist. They entrap themselves into slavery by giving into the violence to begin with. So when you say they don't have a choice, you are refusing to acknowledge that these women in Iran have a choice, but refuse to actively get off their abused asses and do something about it!

They realy dont within that system how do they resist in the real world honor killings and sex with children is permited they have to fight their families their relidgion laws everthing.The post wrote was implying critisim of irainian womem which is unfair .Guess you wrot it from the comfort of being thousands of miles away!!

[Human]

Alen wrote:

<quoted text>
Islam did not abuse women, sunnism and Taliban abuse women with their leader Usama bi Laden.
Islam liberated women but when prophet Muhammad died, that liberation was stolen by sects: sunnis, shias,....

Islam did not liberate women you only attempt to get women to believe that so that won't mind so much when your plotting to get the consititution replaced with the Qu'rans tyranny.

[Human]

If islam liberated women women would be free equals in islamic nations like Saudi Arabia!

[Alen]

Human, for the love of God AllMighty, Saudi Arabia is NOT Islamic country.

Why do you think Arabia was called Arabia during the time of prophet Muhammad and had borders to Spain and India and now it has borders and it is called SAUDI Arabia?

Islam liberated women.
Sunnis oppressed women.
These are facts.

Man and a woman are free in The Quran.

"Their Lord responded to them: "I never fail to reward any worker among you for any work you do, be you MALE OR FEMALE, YOU ARE EQUAL TO ONE ANOTHER........."

[Alen]

"As for those who lead a righteous life, MALE OR FEMALE. while believing, t hey enter Paradise; without the slightest injustice"

and again in 16:97:

" Anyone who works righteousness, MALE OR FEMALE, while believing, we will surely grant them a happy life in this world, and we will surely pay them their full recompense for their righteous works."

and yet again in 40:40,

[40:40] Whoever commits a sin is requited for just that, and whoever works righteousness - MALE OR FEMALE - while believing, these will enter Paradise wherein they receive provisions without any limits.

I believe it is time to go back to the Quran, and believe God, before a day comes when the messenger will complain to God, that the Muslims deserted the Quran, 25:30

[Jones]

truth seeking wrote:

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It's the same for fundamentalists of ALL religions.

Liberals and socialists believe that all religions are the same, which is wrong. Have you ever heard about the Bible and about the Ten Commandment that Christianity and Judaism believe in...?
The Ten Commandments say that “You shall not murder” which is not a part of the Islamic Quran that call for the killing of the infidels- the ones that do not believe in the Islamic Quran who are the enemies of the Islamic Allah...but not the enemies of other Gods.
The Quran allow killing women in the name of man’s honor’ since Islamic daughter and a wife a property of the Islamic me, but the Ten Commandments of Christianity and Judaism do not allow killing woman by men.

[Clementine]

And in the USA women get a fair deal? Bunch of f*cking Yank hypocrites !!!!!
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[Human]

Alen wrote:

"As for those who lead a righteous life, MALE OR FEMALE. while believing, t hey enter Paradise; without the slightest injustice"
and again in 16:97:
" Anyone who works righteousness, MALE OR FEMALE, while believing, we will surely grant them a happy life in this world, and we will surely pay them their full recompense for their righteous works."
and yet again in 40:40,
[40:40] Whoever commits a sin is requited for just that, and whoever works righteousness - MALE OR FEMALE - while believing, these will enter Paradise wherein they receive provisions without any limits.
I believe it is time to go back to the Quran, and believe God, before a day comes when the messenger will complain to God, that the Muslims deserted the Quran, 25:30

And Muhammad had many wives and concubines but women were killed for less Alen! The same as it is today! Muhammad was a man wh*re and he was praised for it but even to this day women and girls are brutally murdered, sometimes because they were raped and could not find 4 muslim men to testifie that it was rape!
Exsplain to me what is fair and equal about that amongst other things!