the Identity of Macedonians

[egeec]

Many villages, particularly mixed ones, quarreled over disputed land, and were torn apart and bled white as the result of costly lawsuits. It took more than ten years to draw village boundaries on pastureland, while many disputes over arable land were settled only after the Second World War. Officials of the Commission for the Settlement of Refugees, who were themselves refugees or associated with refugee interests, were expected to favour the newcomers in their disputes with the indigenous peasants over lands." (John S. Koliopouls. "Plundered Loyalties". Pages 42-43)

Besides colonizing Macedonia with foreign refugees and usurping Macedonian lands the Greek state in the 1920's also initiated a Helenization program to turn Macedonians into Greeks.

[egeec]

There were no Greeks, Serbians or Bulgarians living in Macedonia prior to the introduction of the foreign Churches there because these nations never existed before. Greece, Serbia and Bulgaria are 19th century artificially created nation-states, created from the same ethnic Christian composition but each nation was artificially designed to support the aims of the Great Power which created it.

Using the same principles of artificiality with which they themselves were created, Greece, Serbia and Bulgaria through their respective churches began to spread propaganda in an attempt to convince the Macedonian population that only Greeks, Serbians and Bulgarians existed in Macedonia. Their aims were designed not only to convince Macedonians but also to convince the outside world and pave the way for Macedonia's occupation.

The population exchanges that subsequently followed were nothing more than expelling those people who the three states felt would be a threat to their objectives.

Macedonians were not Greek, Serbian or Bulgarian that is why these states, particularly Greece, had to apply extreme measures to suppress them.

Soon after the Greek government established rule in Greek occupied Macedonia it opened Greek language schools to teach the entire Macedonian population to speak Greek. While children attended regular school, adults were expected to attend night school.

Besides Hellenizing the Macedonian population by teaching it to speak Greek, the Greek state also took measures to eliminate everything that was Macedonian.

By law promulgated on November 21, 1926, all place names (toponymia) in Greek occupied Macedonia were Hellenized. All Macedonian names of cities, towns, villages, rivers, lakes, mountains, etc., were changed to Greek ones. In a similar manner, Macedonian families were forced to change their Macedonian last names to Greek ones. Even individual given names were changed forcing alien names upon the Macedonian population. Since then to this day families lost continuity with their relatives especially those who had fled Greece before Hellenization policies were put in place.

[egeec]

For those who don't know what "Hellenization" is, it is a process of assimilating people from various ethnic groups such as Macedonians, Vlachs, Albanians, Turks, etc., and turning them into Greeks. To an outsider this may seem strange and even comical but to Macedonians who were born in Greek occupied Macedonia and who had lived through this process, it was a living nightmare.

Many Macedonians have relatives; brothers, sisters, cousins, uncles, aunts, etc., who have been Hellenized by Greek propaganda and today are the staunchest Greeks. The so called Greeks who are indigenous to Greek occupied Macedonia are no more than an artificial construct of Greek propaganda. They say they are Greek because since the occupation of Greek occupied Macedonia the Greek educational system has been telling them that they are Greeks and punishing them for feeling Macedonian.

What follows is a true story exactly as told by Peter Minas who attended Greek school in 1950, the only schooling available to Macedonians:

"A Young Boy that was I no more than 10 years old, playing with friends in the neighbourhood yard, not aware that we had been watched by none other than the teacher of our class.

Unaware of the political situation, feeling joy in my heart I called out to my friend Done in my native Macedonian tongue to,'Come and play with us'.

Next morning in class, I hear the loud voice of my teacher asking to know 'Who is the one who still speaks in his native tongue?'

[egeec]

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[Nearchus]

macedonian protector wrote:

Man we Macedonians never use bad language like Greeks see our texts we never insult Greek nation.

You play it smart Gayslavey?
wherever you insult us or not, we do not give a dam, just we laugh with you non-country non-name and non-identity Clowns..........

[Nearchus]

PRIAPOS wrote:

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jUST ANOTHER LIE! Lies lies and more lies!
PS I insult monkeys when i call you monkeydonians, so i apologize to monkeys, not to you history thieves.

Gamise ton to Malaka re Priape, prospathei na eknevrisei, kan tou plaka mono

[Greek Islander]

egeec wrote:

"The total population in Greece rose between 1907 and 1928 from 2,600,000 to 6,200,000." "After the Greek advances of 1912, for instance, the Greek elements in Greek Macedonia had constituted 43 percent of the population. By 1926, with the resettlement of the refugees, the Greek element has risen to 89 percent." (Richard Clogg. "A Short History of Modern Greece". Page 121)
After all this, surprisingly (and shamefully) Greece still claims that its population is homogeneous; direct descendents of the peoples of the ancient City States.
"If Greece exists today as a homogeneous ethnos, she owes this to [the Asia Minor Catastrophe]. If the hundreds of thousands of refugees had not come to Greece, Greek Macedonia would not exist today. The refugees created the national homogeneity of our country.(Antonios Kandiotis, Metrpolite of Florina, in Anastasia Karakasidou's book "Fields of Wheat, Hills of Blood". Page 141)
According to Karakasidou, almost half of the refugees were settled in urban centers and rural areas in Macedonia. "Searching for locations in which to settle this mass of humanity, the Greek government looked north to the newly incorporated land in Macedonia..." "...by 1930, 90 percent of the 578,844 refugees settled in rural Greece were concentrated in the regions of Macedonia and western Thrace. Thus Macedonia, Greece's newly acquired second 'breadbasket'(after Thessaly), became the depository for East Thracian, Pontic, and Asia Minor refugees." (Anastasia Karakasidou. "Fields of Wheat, Hills of Blood". Page 145)

As Greeks, the people of Asia Minor settled in the Greek State replacing the Turks who left for Turkey, nothing more nothing less.

Ethnic Map of the Balkans 1898:
I see Greeks,Bulgarians and Turks in Macedonia...but no "ethnic" Macedonians, where you hiding the day they made the map?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

By the way when you were thrown out of Greece for trying to destroy our country you settled in the newly created Yugoslav Repulic of "Macedonia"

[egeec]

TO
Greek Islander
Philadelphia, PA

Please face you with the truth about macedonians and their Golgotha.
Regards from Macedonia

[malakamonkeydony aka]

egeec wrote:

There were no Greeks, Serbians or Bulgarians living in Macedonia prior to the introduction of the foreign Churches there because these nations never existed before. Greece, Serbia and Bulgaria are 19th century artificially created nation-states, created from the same ethnic Christian composition but each nation was artificially designed to support the aims of the Great Power which created it...

You stupid, nasty, rude, ignorant, dog born, neandertal, hairy monkeydono semi human being!!!!!!!!!
'Artificially created' is only you as your mum has collected you from the floor!!!
The whole world knows that Greeks and Bulgarians existed 1000's of years before; may be not so long for the Serbs, but they are famous for the Kosovo Pole battle!!!!
What did the Greek philosophers and scientinst 3000 years ago no fyromian brain can understand even in 2008!!
What Bulgarians did in 800a.c. to stop the Arab invasion on the Balkans no fyromian whore can understand as they sell their arses..
What Serbia did to protect the Ordox in 14th century no TitoZombi will ever understand as you offer your buts to everybody....
DONT you dare talking of other nations, you Big mistake of the Nature and some coonfused, ejaqulating unkown fater!!!!!

[Makedonikos Agonas]

egeec wrote:

TO
Greek Islander
Philadelphia, PA
Please face you with the truth about macedonians and their Golgotha.
Regards from Macedonia

Here is the truth:
The so-called Macedonian refugees were ethnic Greeks that were lured, kidnapped or forced to flee to Yugoslavia under the pressure of the retreating forces of international Communism at the time. These forces included in their ranks Greek traitors, fighting against the Greek Army forces of law and order, in order to impose a Socialist-Communist regime in Greece or Greek Macedonia and possibly join the Socialist paradise of Yugoslavia or Bulgaria. Among their ranks there were also Slavs from North Macedonia as well as Bulgarians who have infiltrated Greece taking advantage the lawlessness of the time.

Because these forces were severely defeated by the joint military of Greece, Britain and the US in retaliation they tried to take back in Yugoslavia where they retreated as many Greek Macedonian civilians as they could. They tried to lure them with promises of Socialist paradises (more or less like today the Skopje govt is deceiving the Slav Makedonci with fake Macedonian glory and majesty). If they failed, then they resorted to sheer violence, blackmail and hijacking.

A typical example is PM Gruios (Gruevski) of Skopje and some of his ancestors. However, the Greek state, with abundant generosity, have offered to people deceived, like Mr. Gruios, the chance to become citizens of Greece again and live and prosper within the Hellenic Republic and EU. Let's hope those lost Greeks will accept the offer and become again part of the modern Greek nation.

[Nearchus]

egeec wrote:

TO
Greek Islander
Philadelphia, PA
Please face you with the truth about macedonians and their Golgotha.
Regards from Macedonia

Mister, Which Macedonians out of the
"Slavoserboalbanogrecobul garoturkogypsies " ??
which one ??????
Leave us free of this silly babblish.....
we had enough

[investigator]

Nearchus wrote:

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Gamise ton to Malaka re Priape, prospathei na eknevrisei, kan tou plaka mono

ulan amina kodugumun sutu bozuk pici ,kendine yunan kimligi veriyorsun simdi,senin 7 sulaleni gay greeklere domaltip iyice siksin.

[PRIAPOS]

Nearchus wrote:

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Gamise ton to Malaka re Priape, prospathei na eknevrisei, kan tou plaka mono

Peraste stin epithesi giati ta mounoskyla to paizoun poly yperano me tis plates tou Bush-ti. Gamate tous asaliota. Na doume file pos tha antidrasoume stis 20 iouliou, giati stous politikous mas den eho kamia empistosyni.
Na eisai kala

[diya81]

Solun wrote:

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WHAT IDENTITY?
1. THE BAVARIAN WHITE AND BLUE COLORS FOR THER FLAG
2. THE ALBANIAN FOUSTANELLA FOR THERE NATIONAL COSTUME
3. THE BOUZOUK FOR THERE NATIONAL INSTRUMENT
4. TOURKISH DANCE FOR THERE NATIONAL ZEMBEKIKO
5. TOURKISH SWEETS FOR THERE NATIONAL TASTE -BAKLAVA-HALVA-LOUKOUMIA
6. TOURKISH COFFEE FOR THERE NATIONAL DRINK
WHAT' IDENTITY, WHAT'S HELLENIC ABOUT THE GREEKS?

lol... You are comfused Vardar... There is nothing Bavarian on the Greek flag and most of the above are Greek...

Foustanela is Greek,
Zebeikiko is a Greek war dance(haven't seen any Turkish dancing it),
The bouziki is Greek too,
Have you ever heard of Asia Minor or politiki kouzina? Most of the foods are Greek,
The coffee? Oh yes, they can have it... We have Frappe and Fredo now...lol,

The Turks can also have the famous Turkish toilets. It is their idea...lol

Now let's see... Why are you using forks? Why do you live in democracy? why...? why...? why? Countless of Greek contributions to the world civil. that you use in your everyday life... Say thanks...Vardar

[Elizabeth]

Greeks have never identified as Macedonians and only just recently have taken on the identify you have only really been Greek first and last. Where the Macedonians have been and identify as Macedonians for thousands of years to today, simple.

[PRIAPOS]

Etsi, vardar kai pali vardar. Kai poly tous einai to vardar. Ante giati tous prepei poly psolar

[PRIAPOS]

Elizabeth wrote:

Greeks have never identified as Macedonians and only just recently have taken on the identify you have only really been Greek first and last. Where the Macedonians have been and identify as Macedonians for thousands of years to today, simple.

Where did you get your info little vardarofski? Tell your lies to ignorants peasants in skopia

[diya81]

egeec wrote:

No comment more.

Let us add some comments...

1. There are no "Macedonians" there are only Slavs.
2. The Greeks in Macedonian before tha refuges were about 35% of the population. The rest were Slavs, Turks, Vlachs, Pomaks and Albanians.
3. The Original residents of the region were the Macedonians who are Greeks and who have nothing to do with you or the rest of the Slavs. You come in the region later and pushed the Greeks down. You have no right on this territories. They were always Greek. Just like the Bulgarian costs, Asia Minor, Sicely, etc. The Greeks had spread all over the Balkans and the Black sea.
4. Your state never existed and you were never before an ethnicity.(nOT THAT YOU ARE NOW)
5.You cannot talk about homogeneous nations... You are the less "nation" all over the Balkans with no history. You have just gathered "pieces" of history...

[Maniot]

Elizabeth wrote:

Greeks have never identified as Macedonians and only just recently have taken on the identify you have only really been Greek first and last. Where the Macedonians have been and identify as Macedonians for thousands of years to today, simple.

I am Greek and I also identify myself as a Maniot, my cousins are Greek but they also identify themeselves as Macedonians. so simple. Is a person from Manchester not English?

Recently?? I will assume that you are serious and not blind. There is a Macedonian Script thousand of years old.
Can you read it?
No because the language is clearly a Greek dialect. Not west bulgarian, not serb, not ancient egyptian but Greek.
you have recently tried to assume a foreign identity, i dont know why, i assume that for the politicians of the cold war was convenient and for you was nice to think you are more than just a west bulgarian tribe.
read some history besides propaganda. use your brain and your own eyes.

[Greek Islander]

egeec wrote:

TO
Greek Islander
Philadelphia, PA
Please face you with the truth about macedonians and their Golgotha.
Regards from Macedonia

The Golgotha of Macedonia was a result of the Slavic Invasions. Your ancestors pillaged, raped and destroyed everything Macedonian they could find. Only a few fortified Greek Byzantine cities remained unharmed...among them was Thessaloniki. The Greek Orthodox population of the city attribute the slavation of the city from your Slavic ancestors as a result of the intersession of St. Dimitrios.

In his Icons Saint Dimitrios is shown protecting the city of Thessaloniki. By the way, the city was liberated from the Turks on the feast day of St. Dimitrios, Oct. 26
http://home.iprimus.com.au/xenos/dimtri.jpg