Olmert seeks tougher response

A day after a Palestinian construction worker's deadly rampage in Jerusalem, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert called yesterday for reviving the practice of demolishing the homes of attackers' families, and his chief ...

[Makeshift Patriot]

Yet another call for collective punishment. Keep up the hate Olmert. If the Israelis had no Palestinian enemies, their hope for an expanded Israel would die.

[Omar]

Makeshift Patriot wrote:

Yet another call for collective punishment. Keep up the hate Olmert. If the Israelis had no Palestinian enemies, their hope for an expanded Israel would die.

By not restricting the actions of the people of Gaza there would be bloodshed like in Kashmir. The casualties in Kashmir far outweigh those in Israel. The Israelis are to be commended for their restraint.

[Makeshift Patriot]

Omar wrote:

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By not restricting the actions of the people of Gaza there would be bloodshed like in Kashmir. The casualties in Kashmir far outweigh those in Israel. The Israelis are to be commended for their restraint.

"Restricting the actions of the people of Gaza," like living in houses and stuff.

[Omar]

Makeshift Patriot wrote:

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"Restricting the actions of the people of Gaza," like living in houses and stuff.

How would you expect government to react if there was a terrorist attack threatened every 10 minutes. Man, give these people a break. If they permitted themselves to be massacred and blown up would they garner your sympathy as true victims?

[Makeshift Patriot]

FAR more Palestinians have died in this conflict, including women and children. Launching a rocket or suicide bombing kill innocent civilians yes, but how many Palestinian women and children have been killed by gunfire. Its hard to aim a bomb.

[Omar]

Makeshift Patriot wrote:

FAR more Palestinians have died in this conflict, including women and children. Launching a rocket or suicide bombing kill innocent civilians yes, but how many Palestinian women and children have been killed by gunfire. Its hard to aim a bomb.

One side is always victorious in war. Body counts don't tell the whole story, I'm afraid. Publicity and public relations suggests it is better for international relations to be seen as the victim.

[Makeshift Patriot]

Omar wrote:

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One side is always victorious in war. Body counts don't tell the whole story, I'm afraid. Publicity and public relations suggests it is better for international relations to be seen as the victim.

Actually, no one is truely victorious in war, when there is loss of life. The Zionist media machine wants Americans to identify with the Israelis, not the Palestinians, so we keep supporting Israel. If Americans knew that many Palestinians were Christian and not Muslim, Americans would have more solidarity with the oppressed rather than the oppressors. Public relations and publicity make the average American complicit in genocide and other atrocities toward the Palestinians.

[Jabadini]

Makeshift Patriot wrote:

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Actually, no one is truely victorious in war, when there is loss of life. The Zionist media machine wants Americans to identify with the Israelis, not the Palestinians, so we keep supporting Israel. If Americans knew that many Palestinians were Christian and not Muslim, Americans would have more solidarity with the oppressed rather than the oppressors. Public relations and publicity make the average American complicit in genocide and other atrocities toward the Palestinians.

go on then how many Palestinians are Christian, do you even know?
Do you also know about the church's burnt down in Gaza and christians killed and persecuted most of them having left by now.
This was the problem in Bethlehem when MUSLIM terrorists took over the city and used to to attack Gilo a suburb of Jerusalem.

The regular American supports Israel because they share the same values and enemies.
Islamic Extremism targets all non-believers and has started with Israel as the only non-islamic country in the area (Lebanon was once but times have changed), and the US the major world power, more a Christian country and created on democracy and freedom as was Israel.

Do you think that BBC, Al-Jazera, the times, the guardian, etc are not bias against Israel?
BBC and even Reuters have been caught numerous times spouting lies about Israel. Can you give me an example of that happening in the US pro-Israel?

[Makeshift Patriot]

Jabadini wrote:

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go on then how many Palestinians are Christian, do you even know?
Do you also know about the church's burnt down in Gaza and christians killed and persecuted most of them having left by now.
This was the problem in Bethlehem when MUSLIM terrorists took over the city and used to to attack Gilo a suburb of Jerusalem.
The regular American supports Israel because they share the same values and enemies.
Islamic Extremism targets all non-believers and has started with Israel as the only non-islamic country in the area (Lebanon was once but times have changed), and the US the major world power, more a Christian country and created on democracy and freedom as was Israel.
Do you think that BBC, Al-Jazera, the times, the guardian, etc are not bias against Israel?
BBC and even Reuters have been caught numerous times spouting lies about Israel. Can you give me an example of that happening in the US pro-Israel?

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How are the Palestinians enemies of the USA?

[Jabadini]

Makeshift Patriot wrote:

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How are the Palestinians enemies of the USA?

Maybe because they support and are supported by US enemies. This includes Iran and Syria.
They sung, danced and gave out candy when the planes hit the world trade centre and many are involved in fighting US troops in Iraq and Afganistan. Actually some Palestinians are very high up on the insurgents side.
The Palestinian media vilifies the Us as it does Israel.
And again they persecute Christian Palestinians.
This is real racism or hatred.

[Makeshift Patriot]

Jabadini wrote:

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Maybe because they support and are supported by US enemies. This includes Iran and Syria.
They sung, danced and gave out candy when the planes hit the world trade centre and many are involved in fighting US troops in Iraq and Afganistan. Actually some Palestinians are very high up on the insurgents side.
The Palestinian media vilifies the Us as it does Israel.
And again they persecute Christian Palestinians.
This is real racism or hatred.

Iran and Syria are only enemies of the US because of Israel. They are no threat to the US. Didn't Netenyahu say that the 9/11 attack was good for Israel?

[Jonathan]

Makeshift Patriot wrote:

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Iran and Syria are only enemies of the US because of Israel. They are no threat to the US. Didn't Netenyahu say that the 9/11 attack was good for Israel?

You have a compulsion to paint one side evil and one side righteous. Your statement regarding Iran and Syria is a gross oversimplification. You are certain that 911 wasn't abetted by Iran? Perhaps you are one of those who thinks the US deserved that? And Netenyahu's asinine remark represents Israel like american political leaders represents you. What's your point?

[Makeshift Patriot]

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You have a compulsion to paint one side evil and one side righteous. Your statement regarding Iran and Syria is a gross oversimplification. You are certain that 911 wasn't abetted by Iran? Perhaps you are one of those who thinks the US deserved that? And Netenyahu's asinine remark represents Israel like american political leaders represents you. What's your point?

How do we not know that Israel did not have prior knowledge?

[Jabadini]

Makeshift Patriot wrote:

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How do we not know that Israel did not have prior knowledge?

How do we know that America didn't have prior knowledge?

[Makeshift Patriot]

Jabadini wrote:

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How do we know that America didn't have prior knowledge?

Both governments probably did, and allowed it to occur so that they would have an excuse to control the Middle East. Before they could do this, they needed to inflame the American public so that we would supply soldiers and funds for their little project...The Project for a New American Century...New Pearl Harbor

[nubsnovets]

Makeshift Patriot wrote:

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Both governments probably did, and allowed it to occur so that they would have an excuse to control the Middle East. Before they could do this, they needed to inflame the American public so that we would supply soldiers and funds for their little project...The Project for a New American Century...New Pearl Harbor

This is so true. But most Americans won't allow themselves to even consider this option. I understand why, it's because they will have to finally admit how awful this government and other worldly governments are. They would have to admit that our government let this happen to our people. Then they will have to start questioning everything, like fluoride in our water, vaccines, food additives. Some people would much rather be kept in the dark. Knowing the truth is scary and takes a lot of hard work.

History repeats itself. Remember Pearl Harbor and the Gulf of Tonkin? If anyone is willing to be open minded enough I would like you to read a report by Morgan Reynolds. He's a former employee of the Bush administration and his writings on the World Trade Center are full of facts and mathematics.
http://www.nomoregames.net/index.php...

[Makeshift Patriot]

nubsnovets wrote:

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This is so true. But most Americans won't allow themselves to even consider this option. I understand why, it's because they will have to finally admit how awful this government and other worldly governments are. They would have to admit that our government let this happen to our people. Then they will have to start questioning everything

A good book on this subject is:
Political Ponerology by Andrew M. Lobaczewski
Many psychopaths are currently in control of world governments. They appear to be normal people, but lack a conscience. 5% of the worlds population is born without a conscience. Some display their deficiency, many do not.
It has been said that "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." This book explains that those who seek power are morally corrupt to begin with, and use any unscrupulous means necessary to attain and preserve it.
Those of us with a conscience cannot fathom the possibilty of what it is like to lack one, therefore we give those who do not the benefit of the doubt, often to our detriment.
"Beware, the wolves in sheeps clothing."