Science sceptic scorns 'Bigfoot', TV psychics

[Nagaspirit]

Gold_Fire wrote:

<quoted text>
I am studying it and it is very interesting that we are supposed t respect scientists and their work. These guys tell you that all that we see as being objects and all that we argue about is all an illusion and a figment of our imagination. There all problems removed already. Wasting time talking shit :)

Are you studying at Uni?

[Johnson]

Nagaspirit wrote:

**Thats how they get started, to win Nobel prizes!**
Nobel prizes are awarded for outcomes or achievements in a particular discipline or field recognised by the Nobel prize committee. There isnt a Nobel prize for crop circles, alien research, crypto-zoology or spirituality.

What i said was,

"Unexplained phenomena?
Thats how they get started, to win Nobel prizes!"

That is correct,there isn't a Nobel Prize for crop circles, alien research, crypto-zoology or spirituality.

[Nagaspirit]

Johnson wrote:

<quoted text>
What i said was,
"Unexplained phenomena?
Thats how they get started, to win Nobel prizes!"
That is correct,there isn't a Nobel Prize for crop circles, alien research, crypto-zoology or spirituality.

Exactly! because the scientific establishment doesnt value what they do not understand. Hence no prizes for pioneers.

[Johnson]

Nagaspirit wrote:

<quoted text>
Exactly! because the scientific establishment doesnt value what they do not understand. Hence no prizes for pioneers.

"the scientific establishment doesnt value what they do not understand"

This comment says more about you ,then it does about some of the most brilliant,inquisitive and cogent minds of our time.

I can see you like to believe you are a visionary,who must deal with the backward scientific establishment,if only they would open their eyes and see "the truth is out there".LOL

Heard it all before ,lived in northern NSW,around mullumbimby,its sort of a mecca for sloppy thinking.

I had a great time though,i had a job and their are lots of single women.

"Hence no prizes for pioneers."

If 'Space cadets' are pioneers, then i award you first prize!

[Gold_Fire]

M4Pathfinder wrote:

Well, I for one believe:
1. The Bigfoot myth/theory is a big pile of Hooey!
2. They were actually in South of the Burgh, in PA & just saw my Uncle out behind his pool in the woodsy area.
3. to KNOW what the power of Psychics can do, if you have a legit. one. Only use one that has credentials in working w/police on cases.

I have to believe in Big Foot because I have a Big foot maybe that is an illusions too

[SUPERIOR AUSSIE]

lol

[Gold_Fire]

SUPERIOR AUSSIE wrote:

lol

Hahaha near pissed myself then

[SUPERIOR AUSSIE]

I try and keep my coments original.

[Gold_Fire]

SUPERIOR AUSSIE wrote:

I try and keep my coments original.

I could not have done better myself even if I had put thought to it :)

[FARII]

Gold_Fire wrote:

<quoted text>
I have to believe in Big Foot because I have a Big foot maybe that is an illusions too

The physical world we live in is just an illusion? Are you Buddhist?

[SUPERIOR AUSSIE]

Gold_Fire wrote:

<quoted text>
I could not have done better myself even if I had put thought to it :)

stirra.
Have you walked the dog yet?

[Gold_Fire]

FARII wrote:

<quoted text>The physical world we live in is just an illusion? Are you Buddhist?

My body is physical yes and I am learning not to rely on the need to be physically needy. I am all the good of all religions combined just as I am part of you and the entire universe. I am big so I need a big foot. LOL

[SUPERIOR AUSSIE]

What, just 1?

[FARII]

Gold_Fire wrote:

<quoted text>
My body is physical yes and I am learning not to rely on the need to be physically needy. I am all the good of all religions combined just as I am part of you and the entire universe. I am big so I need a big foot. LOL

Check some of the links I left on the "Aussies Are Pigs" thread. You were an RN, did you have the experience of being at bedside when someone died in stages? I have tens of dozens of times and a common occurence is for them to spend a few hours with one foot in this life and one in the other. They'll talk to departed spouses or parents, sometimes children, and the common denominator is that a long-deceased loved one has come to get them. We can still communicate with them but we are less real than the world they are going to. I've experienced this enough to KNOW there's something to it. When you're there, you can just feel it.

[Gold_Fire]

SUPERIOR AUSSIE wrote:

What, just 1?

Yea I hop a long LOL

[Nagaspirit]

Johnson wrote:

<quoted text>
"the scientific establishment doesnt value what they do not understand"
This comment says more about you ,then it does about some of the most brilliant,inquisitive and cogent minds of our time.
I can see you like to believe you are a visionary,who must deal with the backward scientific establishment,if only they would open their eyes and see "the truth is out there".LOL
Heard it all before ,lived in northern NSW,around mullumbimby,its sort of a mecca for sloppy thinking.
I had a great time though,i had a job and their are lots of single women.
"Hence no prizes for pioneers."
If 'Space cadets' are pioneers, then i award you first prize!

I'll take that as a compliment.

[dee]

Nagaspirit wrote:

**Thats how they get started, to win Nobel prizes!**
Nobel prizes are awarded for outcomes or achievements in a particular discipline or field recognised by the Nobel prize committee. There isnt a Nobel prize for crop circles, alien research, crypto-zoology or spirituality.

Because these things can't be backed up with solid proof. The crop circles are there, but nobody has ever proved who makes them, how or why they are made; 'alien research'- by 'aliens', do you mean the aliens described by UFO contactees?

Crypto-zoology has gotten a bad rep because it's often practised with complete disregard for scientific facts and theories and the field is full of conmen and charletons. If and when somebody captures (or provides irrefutable proof of) a beast like Bigfoot, Nessy, the Yeti, etc. scientists may change their minds.

The Russians made a lot of experiments with the paranormal - remote viewing, telekenisis, etc. I'm sure the Americans did the same, but we will never know what, if anything, they found.

[Nagaspirit]

dee wrote:

<quoted text>
Because these things can't be backed up with solid proof. The crop circles are there, but nobody has ever proved who makes them, how or why they are made; 'alien research'- by 'aliens', do you mean the aliens described by UFO contactees?
Crypto-zoology has gotten a bad rep because it's often practised with complete disregard for scientific facts and theories and the field is full of conmen and charletons. If and when somebody captures (or provides irrefutable proof of) a beast like Bigfoot, Nessy, the Yeti, etc. scientists may change their minds.
The Russians made a lot of experiments with the paranormal - remote viewing, telekenisis, etc. I'm sure the Americans did the same, but we will never know what, if anything, they found.

Of all the phenomena alien abduction is the weirdest. If so many people are being abducted (1 in 6?). At least 2 books have been published by Havard University academics on the subject.

As you say, the solid proof is hard to get. It may remain so.

[dee]

Nagaspirit wrote:

<quoted text>
Of all the phenomena alien abduction is the weirdest. If so many people are being abducted (1 in 6?). At least 2 books have been published by Havard University academics on the subject.
As you say, the solid proof is hard to get. It may remain so.

The people who are 'abducted' believe it implicitly, but so did the medieval people who were taken to visit 'Faeryland'. Six million Americans (including some prominent people, such as Louis Farrakhan) believe they've been abducted by aliens. I ask you. Six million people? That's in one country alone.

Some experiences - maybe most - are due to sleep paralysis, a sleeping disorder affecting 30%-50% of people at least once in their lives.

Technically, they're awake but their muscles are paralysed and many experience visual and auditory hallucinations. These can be really terrifying and include feeling a threatening presence in the room, out-of-body experiences, or that they're under attack by hostile entities. They can also feel like they're being choked, or that something is sitting on their chest. Some see ET-like entities gathered around the bed.

That could explain some experiences.

The real abductions to 'space crafts' where abductees are operated on, or sometimes raped - they're telling the truth as they know it.'Repressed memory' techniques were used when interviewing these people, the same techniques used with Satanic abuse victims - hypnosis.

How many lives were wrecked by idiots using these techniques and believing everything dredged up from the psyche - eg, the Satanic child abuse scare in the UK in the 1980s.

[Nagaspirit]

dee wrote:

<quoted text>
The people who are 'abducted' believe it implicitly, but so did the medieval people who were taken to visit 'Faeryland'. Six million Americans (including some prominent people, such as Louis Farrakhan) believe they've been abducted by aliens. I ask you. Six million people? That's in one country alone.
Some experiences - maybe most - are due to sleep paralysis, a sleeping disorder affecting 30%-50% of people at least once in their lives.
Technically, they're awake but their muscles are paralysed and many experience visual and auditory hallucinations. These can be really terrifying and include feeling a threatening presence in the room, out-of-body experiences, or that they're under attack by hostile entities. They can also feel like they're being choked, or that something is sitting on their chest. Some see ET-like entities gathered around the bed.
That could explain some experiences.
The real abductions to 'space crafts' where abductees are operated on, or sometimes raped - they're telling the truth as they know it.'Repressed memory' techniques were used when interviewing these people, the same techniques used with Satanic abuse victims - hypnosis.
How many lives were wrecked by idiots using these techniques and believing everything dredged up from the psyche - eg, the Satanic child abuse scare in the UK in the 1980s.

Havard psychologist Peter Mack interviewed school children in Zimbabwe who collectivelly told him they were visited by small grey men with big eyes who landed a space craft in their school. The problem with this is you cant train an entire primary school to make up the same hoax. Under hypnosis they all recounted exactly the same events!